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Old 02-06-2010, 03:30 PM
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Top 40 Prospects (Speed)

by Matt Garrioch

Thursday, January 14, 2010
Top 40 prospects-speed
1 Tyson Gillies
2 Peter Bourjos
3 Abraham Almonte
4 Jonathan Gaston
5 Tyler Pastornicky
6 Devaris Strange-Gordon
7 Gustavo Nunez
8 Desmond Jennings
9 Julio Borbon
10 Derrik Gibson
11 Xavier Avery
12 Kenneth Wilson
13 Starling Marte
14 Michael Crouse
15 Alcides Escobar
16 Johnny Giavotella
17 Lee Haydel
18 Eduardo Escobar
19 Trayvon Robinson
20 Andrew McCutchen
21 Shawn O'Malley
22 Anthony Gose
23 Jorge Minyeti
24 Fernando Garcia
25 Austin Jackson
26 Daniel Santana
27 Alex Gonzalez
28 Ezequiel Carrera
29 Michael Brantley
30 Julio Morban
31 Randal Grichuk
32 Brett Jackson
33 Ben Revere
34 Delta Cleary
35 Hak-Ju Lee
36 Eury Perez
37 Scott Robinson
38 Andrew Cumberland
39 Jose Altuve
40 Mike Trout
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Old 02-06-2010, 03:40 PM
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McCutchen's presence on that list suggests it may be a bit sloppy.

Meanwhile, Eric Young II must kidnap puppies or something. He constantly gets ignored....
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Old 02-06-2010, 06:51 PM
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I saw Tyson Guilles in Spring Training last year and the kid can fly and hustles all the time. I am no scout but he made me take notice.
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Old 02-08-2010, 06:18 PM
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Thanx for the list, Matt, but what method did you use for these rankings? If it was just raw speed, then it's a curious list. Just off the top of my head, Derrick Robinson and Jarrod Dyson in the KC org are considered 2 of the fastest guys in the minors, but neither is on your list. Quinton Berry and Craig Gentry are 2 other burners that are missing. There are a number of players that BA lists as the fastest in an org that arent on your list. E.g., Fernando Perez is TB's fastest, yet Jennings is #8 on your list. Melky Mesa is the Yanks' fastest, yet Almonte is #3 on your list. Jiwan James is the Phils' fastest, yet Gose is #22 on your list. Daniel Fields is the Tigers' fastest, but Nunez is #7 and Jackson is #25 on your list.

Gaston at #4 is particularly curious; I've never heard him described has having great speed. His BA scouting report says he has fringe-average speed.

BTW, in addition to McCutchen, Borbon is no longer a prospect either.
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Old 02-09-2010, 07:00 AM
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Thanx for the list, Matt, but what method did you use for these rankings? If it was just raw speed, then it's a curious list. Just off the top of my head, Derrick Robinson and Jarrod Dyson in the KC org are considered 2 of the fastest guys in the minors, but neither is on your list. Quinton Berry and Craig Gentry are 2 other burners that are missing. There are a number of players that BA lists as the fastest in an org that arent on your list. E.g., Fernando Perez is TB's fastest, yet Jennings is #8 on your list. Melky Mesa is the Yanks' fastest, yet Almonte is #3 on your list. Jiwan James is the Phils' fastest, yet Gose is #22 on your list. Daniel Fields is the Tigers' fastest, but Nunez is #7 and Jackson is #25 on your list.
Must be a combination of prospects who have speed??

For the Phillies, Gillies and Gose are definite top-10 prospects, but Berry is far down on the list, a 5th OF type and James is probably somewhere in the top 25, but still working his way up.
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I saw Tyson Guilles in Spring Training last year and the kid can fly and hustles all the time. I am no scout but he made me take notice.
What's the deal with this guy?

Some rate him as a top 50 prospect and others don't even have him on their top 100 lists. What little I've read of him is that he just doesn't have much upside. Most likely a part-time player at the MLB level. However, you look at his numbers from last year and they are quite impressive.
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Must be a combination of prospects who have speed??

For the Phillies, Gillies and Gose are definite top-10 prospects, but Berry is far down on the list, a 5th OF type and James is probably somewhere in the top 25, but still working his way up.
If that's what the list is, that would make even less sense. Michael Crouse above Alcides Escobar? Gustavo Nunez (or pretty much anyone else) above Desmond Jennings?

He may be using some speed 'formula' that takes 2Bs and 3Bs, going from 1B to 3B on a single, etc. into consideration.

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Old 02-09-2010, 10:14 PM
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What's the deal with this guy?

Some rate him as a top 50 prospect and others don't even have him on their top 100 lists. What little I've read of him is that he just doesn't have much upside. Most likely a part-time player at the MLB level. However, you look at his numbers from last year and they are quite impressive.

From watching him play, which is a small sample size, I can tell you that he is a throw back type. He hustles and is fun to watch. He looked like he had a good arm and excellent speed. He hit in the minors so who knows.
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Old 02-10-2010, 10:03 AM
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From watching him play, which is a small sample size, I can tell you that he is a throw back type. He hustles and is fun to watch. He looked like he had a good arm and excellent speed. He hit in the minors so who knows.
He also has very good plate discipline, in contrast to most "toolsy outfielder" types.

What he doesn't have much of is power. But he'll be a leadoff type if he makes it to the bigs.
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Old 02-10-2010, 11:10 AM
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What's the deal with this guy?

Some rate him as a top 50 prospect and others don't even have him on their top 100 lists. What little I've read of him is that he just doesn't have much upside. Most likely a part-time player at the MLB level. However, you look at his numbers from last year and they are quite impressive.
BA's top 10s:

Philadelphia: November 9, 2009
Seattle: January 22, 2010

Gillies was traded from Seattle to Philadelphia in mid-December. So he didn't have a chance to make either BA top-10 list.

Anyone who starts with the BA top 10s, or adjusts for them may have unwittingly penalized Gillies. RHD made sure he put up his top fantasy baseball-specific top 15s before the BA list. And he had Gillies #2 for Seattle.
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all the different phillies lists I've seen have Gillies in the top 5 in the system.

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Imo, Revere is rated too low. Closer to the majors than many of these guys and has shown the OB skills to get himself in a position to steal.
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